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real estate in the world and staying in the nicest addresses in the world. >> tomorrow he will be visiting a group in harlem and going to ground zero. trying to see as much of new york as possible. here we're getting a glimpse of him as he begins to leave st. patrick's cathedral. big smile on his face and a lot of smiles for all those in attendance. if you are just joining us, it is the top of the hour, good evening from st. patrick's cathedral where moments ago pope francis concluded evening vespers, continued to take a look at the sights and the sounds inside st. patrick's with his glorious choir singing. let's listen in. ♪ ♪
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as we await pope francis as he will be leaving, the doors to st. patrick's are now open. his vehicle is waiting outside. security is standing around. there is great expectation, many of the workers who helped rebuild, reconstruct this church, rehabit, if you will, they are waiting outside to the left of the entrance. there are another group, many, some school kids. some left. more adults now the to the right want to try to get yet another
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cli glimpse of pope francis as he emerges as we continue to look inside st. patrick's. father thomas of the holy sea, the holy sea press office and biblical scholar and cnn contributor bruce filer. father, i wonder what you made of this celebration tonight, vespers and comments made by this pope inside. >> beautiful ceremony of vespers and special guest this evening besides the workers outside the cathedral and lay people from the diocese are the religious priests and neighboring diocese. the beautiful celebration of vespers, this was not a mass. you see the holy father coming out. very touching moment during the homily when he recognized women in the united states and spoke about their charitable work, educational works and cathedral burst into applause i think
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three different times. these were very important words to be spoken at this moment in history, especially the new and developing relationship of women religious after years of great difficulty and perhaps misunderstanding, the other thing touching, unscripted at the beginning, i think i the got the words right when he recognized the terrible tragedy in mecca, over 700 muslims stampeded to death during the muslim pilgrimage. >> we'll talk about that throughout the next two hours of the program and bring you the latest information about that tragedy that occurred. you've seen a lot of vespers, you've seen this pope, you followed him closely now since he became pope francis. what did you make of what you heard tonight? >> anderson, i feel in terms of the atmosphere and watching the pope that he's kind of, this is really settled into the trip here. maybe the first day and a half
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it was a little nervous, a little tired, but i feel like this has just been a great welcome here in new york and i'm not going to say the pin pinnicles there is a lot to go. extra what a celebration tonight in new york city. >> to see this pope visiting ground zero tomorrow, to see him visiting the site of world trade center, that is certainly going to be a very emotional moment not only for the pontiff but for many new yorkers and many around the world. >> i want to echo what dilya said, he seems to be picking up energy as the week goes along, to come to new york where the conversation is front and center and hear him make news by revoking the tragedy in mecca today and to know that tomorrow he'll be speaking to the world at the u.n. and heading to ground zero. turned from the domestic
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political narrative to a global narrative and seems to be the stage he's trying to siege. >> pahe says he sees the emergi of pope francis 2.0 and there is talk of this pope as an outsider when he became pontiff, he seemed to talk about himself as part of continuing of those who came before him. >> he's got a beautiful approach to this whole visit identifying himself as an immigrant, a son of immigrants, recognizing that those very immigrants came to help build this country and city. by doing that, he bounded himself in a deeper way when he looked up this morning at congress and made the gesture to say there are many immigrants here, all of those are not simply theater points of ways to gain fans.
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this is who he is. he recognizes the humble and always asking and to remember one of the things of tonight's service was gratitude, remembrance and without those two pillars of our society, can't go forward. he said those are hallmarks or a label location. remember, be grateful. >> you know, i noticed in the pope's speeches this time, often when we hear papal's speeches we hear the tradition of other popes. as my predecessor said and as this pope said but these speeches seem to be particularly devoid of that and i wonder if you notice that and agree that maybe there was kind of concerted effort to make them very modern to the point without
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too much vatican as we say. >> he's been like this from the beginning. in october of 2014 he gave a brief instruction to the bishops in the senate hall to us in the senate hall by saying it's not necessary really to go back and remind me what i've said, i know what i said. let's get on with it. he's not denying what came before. he knows full well. he's saying i'm a pastor, a shephard walking and let's do it together. >> let's watch him walk in the midst. so many kids watching. let's listen.
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[speaking foreign language]. [ applause ] >> it's really been striking every time to see him, we saw him in st. mathews cathedral in washington and in st. patrick's, the outpouring of excitement and affection of people in the church pews, there he is talking to governor andrew cuomo and not just the outpouring of the fateful in the streets and those who want to get close, it's in
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the church pews, people who, members of the clergy, nuns, fryers reaching out to him wanting to make contact. >> well, if you consider, anderson, these are people who have devoted their lives to the priesthood or to the convent, to god in someway and so for them to be able to meet their pope must have an even added significance and certainly, i mean, you know, he needs to be protected from the crowds even within the church because people do reach out and try to hold on to him, especially. >> there was that electrifying, to me a highlight from the trip is after he speaks to congress, of course, he goes to have lunch in the catholic charities organization. he plunges into the crowd. you've got homeless people, you've got criminals, you've got people sick and he seemed to literally right from within and i have to say i was thinking as i watch that scene of the image
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in the center of the chapel of god creating adam, the first room where he was elected pope and adam is lifeless because he's about to be touched by god and almost like he takes the holy spirit from these people this woman he's talking to now. >> a woman that can't stand up to reach out to him, he stops for her and reaches down to her and bends down to her and talks to her, whispers to her. >> if you notice aside from the political issues that he's touched on, in quite a few speeches he has mentioned the elderly. not only the young and giving opportunities for the young but spending time with the elderly and taking care of the elderly in a society that takes care of its elderly is a just society. >> almost a given, whenever he gives a talk, he refers to young people and two lines later, the grand parents. this is the generational pope and his talks to grandparents have been so encouraging and
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talks to young people saying go and visit your grandparents, be with your grandparents. that is a beautiful touch. this is the father and the grandfather all wrapped up in this person. >> of course, the whole theme of the trip is for the family, so that does make sense that he would try to emphasize that but does that at the vatican. very important to him the idea of the family. >> he's a couple feet behind us when he comes out the door. >> i know. when he first came in, it was stunning to see him so close and wolf blitzer and i were on television and wolf looked in the monitor and i said wolf, turn around, look, he's right there. we were in st. peters square when he came out on that balcony on that extraordinary night. >> who would forget that? to see him so close, the excitement for the fateful and new yorkers that may not be catholic or maybe who once were catholic, there is something about this man i think that everybody can relate to in one
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way or another. >> i had a very wonderful experience this morning at 5:00 in the morning the at the senate rotunda waiting for, working with the news networks and many of the lay people, lay workers, the camera operators, the people there as the car pulled up, he got out and gave a marvelous talk. many women there and men were crying and one of them came over to me and said hey, father, is this normal? i said it's absolutely normal. people with not much religion, people have been away and saske them, what about him gets you? the authenticity, humanity and smile. you know, when you stop and think what does it take to be a good pastor? authenticity, humanity and a smile. >> look at the peach reaching out, nuns there in blue, so many people and now he's coming very close to the front doors here at st. patrick's, i can tell you there are probably 100 or 00
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people who have been screened and on either side of the door. it probably won't take him very long to drive up to the residence where he is staying tonight. it's probably 20 or 30 blocks or so from the location here where we are and obviously, there will be no traffic for the pontiff. >> as he's about to get on to fifth avenue, it's worth noting to me one of the moments of the talk was when he was in the capital of efficiency and hard work, everybody in new york is a work aholik and took an entire paragraph to talk about rest. don't let efficiency and hard work and success and met tricks dominate us. remember there are other met tricks to life. go off, take vacation, reconnect with your family and the world. >> you put these things together, he's giving us the profile or job description of
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those of us in ministry, priests, deacons, bishops and lay people. >> there he is walking down the steps now of st. patrick's. the crowds are crying out to him. >> 50 feet away from us right now. >> incredible. >> amazing. >> i notice you taking a picture with your camera, as well, father. >> i never usually do this onset with you. [ laughter ] >> but it is interesting that position of people wanting to see him with their own eyes and wanting to capture the moment on a camera and it's sort of that play between the two. >> you were talking, i spoke to a gentleman in washington from sierra leone raised muslim and married to a christian and went through every single member of his family, this one is catholic, and convening on facebook to say thumbs up to this pope around the world. so he's creating this virtual community and opening up the
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dialogue and people don't normally talk about these things. >> what a day. what a day. >> it looks like he hasn't been given much leeway to go over and greet people. >> i can tell you security is being very tight here even as before he was coming out, looking up at the windows, looking up at the surrounding buildings, there was a moment where there was a window open and security was telling somebody in the building to close the window. so they are being very concerned about this not just street level activity but anything in the surrounding buildings because really, as you're driving down fifth avenue, you're in a canyon of concrete and glass buildings on either side. >> to get through security, you have to get here early afternoon. >> one window doesn't close, his car window. he insists on having it open.
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>> this area, of course, is a highly secure, anybody whose in the surrounding blocks around st. patrick's today has gone through metal detectors. several blocks from here as the crowds continue up fifth avenue. those people have not necessarily gone through that level of security. let's just listen. [ cheers ] >> for everybody inside st. patrick's cathedral, once in a lifetime opportunity to see their pope in that extraordinary house of worship. >> i want to mention before we turn the page from st. patrick's, this building was begin in the 1850s and the idea
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of the -- when it was open, this was an open field with 100,000 people for the dedication and they had intended to raise $1,000 from 100 people and that was going to construct it but ran out of money and had to go to the irish catholic workers and this building was built on nickels and quarters and dimes raised over decades from the people who built this city. it is a testament to hard work. he talked art hard work and here we have workers in front that really does come full circle. >> and a very strange sight to see traffic moving up fifth avenue. this is a one-way street heading south. they are now heading north up fifth avenue toward the residence where the pope will sleep tonight. >> what powers the pope has, reversing directions. >> we're about to see the fiat there, the pope waving to crowds, many just looks as busy
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as it was when he first came down several hours ago. looks like people have not wanted to leave their spot, especially those who waited many hours to get that prime spot. >> they were probably waiting for the pope mobile to come back and got confused because it's now the fiat. >> what is so great about this, anderson, and those who spend time is he's taking this jaded city and unjading it. i don't know if that's a word but the glee of people gathering along the way just to glimpse this moment is fantastic. >> in terms of tomorrow, let's just run through a little bit as he continues up to the residence and we'll try to show you where he ends up tonight but in terms of what happens tomorrow, can you kind of layout the day as you know it? >> certainly the big moments tomorrow would be the visit to ground zero which many people are interested in from the religious aspect and united nations address tomorrow morning but not just an address we know to the ambassadors to the united
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nations, this is taking place in a special session where all of the ambassadors and how many nations are represented? we have the number and it's over 100 i believe. 100 world leaders are here. talk about a world platform for the holy father to address that and certainly there will be very important top picks that will be addressed. dilya, about the visit to the united nations, you've covered previous nations, too. >> this is outside the papl observer's residence where you can see, i don't think the fiat has arrived but this is the early part of the motorcade. you can tell how extensive the operation and escort vehicles, this is quite a long motorcade. you rarely see this kind of thing in new york city, the number of motorcycle, nypd motorcycle officers, probably a dozen or two dozen leading the way, multiple vehicles, multiple
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layers of security. >> people asked this morning why he wasn't staying at cardinal dolin's residence behind the cathedral. he's staying at the papal of the united nations. he's in washington where the pope stayed but because the u.n. has a special am bbassadoambass on 72nd street and the pope stays somebody from the vatican and new york city has the permanent observer to the united nations. for that reason he's not staying here at the cathedral. >> he's going to go down to philadelphia. he'll be there saturday and sunday, as well. which was initially kind of the reason for him coming to the united states. this is sort of, there's a very important meeting in october. if you can explain what is happening in october and what this meeting over the weekend has to do with that.
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>> we haven't hivnlhaven't high because it hasn't happened and the reason he come, the world meeting of families in mile pph mile. then he added cuba and explained earlier he had originally thought maybe he could go to mexico and come to the united states through mexico but wasn't able to arrange that. when the cuba deal happened, he said i'll add cuba and ties in because he says he's going to philadelphia for the family and then he goes right back to the vatican the following week and he starts the international meeting of bishops and cardinals to discuss issues, challenges facing the modern family which they began last year and will remember there was heated debate and public debate about several issues such as giving communion to divorced and remarried people and so on. >> all which under the rubric
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year of mercy. >> now he's brought in the year of mercy. it is interesting if we look at the perspective. first i want to do a senate on the family suggested by his brother bishop. he said let's do that. and then on the heels of this senate coming up, he'll say i'll do the senate and introduce the year of mercy. he's trying to bring all of those themes together and say as he has said even here in the united states that, you know, we need to keep in mind the over arching idea of poor giveness and mercy towards one another and god's mercy towards us. >> in terms of much has been made that in terms of doctrine, really have been no changes, no difference between this pope and pope benedict and his predecessor in terms of the core believes of the catholic church, perhaps emphasis on mercy, flexibility, different message he has given to bishops and pastors, but there are some
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considerations for this next year making annulments, somewhat easier, the process in the past for annulments has for some people been costly and taken an awful lot of time. he's hoping to stream line, the right word for that? >> yes. >> stream line and offer it as a possibility and experience of mercy and you can start over. something is broken, love is failed, your life is not condemned, your life is not finished. let's get on with this. let's correct the situation so that people have another chance. all of it has to be -- he's got this theme of mercy in him. it's his dna, his model. [speaking foreign language]. >> the lord looked upon matthew, the tax collector and had mercy and said start over. this continues with francis and he's very concerned with the broken n brokenness, sadness of people but wants people to know it's not over for you. you could start over. in the context, i've been at the
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previous senate in 2014 and this one, it's an opportunity to deal with real issues and look at the challenge and ask people why they are not getting married. how can we help people that cannot afford to be married. talking to homeless people, many people can't afford homes. this is not a good thing in this country. all of it is common sense and this desire. >> if you are just joining us, the scene we're looking at is outside the diplomatic residence of the vatican observer at the united nations where the pope is spending tonight and that is the scene, the entire area is closed off. it is a very set scene. they have blocked off the street on both sides, obviously of the street about as close as anybody
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can possibly get. we have not actually seen him enter the residence yet. i should point that out. that is where he's going to be staying, which is not too far from here and he has been going up there, as you seen in that fiat, the vehicle he drove into the city sometime earlier. i want to welcome our guest, senator charles schumer just come out of st. patrick's. how was it inside? >> incredible. i saw the holy path father in washington and here in new york. his soft voice and powerful presence and thinking. >> just knocked both in washington and new york, one of the most astounding, amazing, wonderful events i attended and i think the people here at st. patricks and congress would agree. >> you were waiting for him outside with governor cuomo and b mayor bill de blasio.
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we got excited seeing him this close, to see him walking towards you. >> i saw him in washington and as i was waiting, there is a little receiving line, my hair was standing on the end. i'm not catholic. and then what i said in here, i said first all of new york loves you catholic and non-catholic alike and congress was just inspired by your speech. i said just about everybody would agree it was one of the best, if not the best speech we have heard and cardinal dolin said what a compliment and he said yes, thank you very, very much. a humble modest man but amazing. >> there is, i mean, this are people you meet in your life who have an ora about them. i think beincome a room with nelson mandela he had an ora about him. this man clearly has. >> you can tell he's a special person in his mind, his heart and his soul, you know, each part, he's brilliant and i thought his speech in washington was done perfectly so brilliant.
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he obviously has a big heart and a person of faith and he exudes it. i thought his speech today appealed to our better nature but it wasn't political. it was an amazing combination, you know, to exhort us and as you know, anderson, father, when there is the state of the union, one side gets up and the other sits on, here all the standing ovations everyone got up together. that says something, doesn't it. >> do you think it will actually change anything? >> i hope so. you know, he is such a powerful influence that people go to sleep and say maybe, he said and when he particularly spoke of abraham lincoln and thomas martin of bringing us together and people overcoming their differences and listening to one another, i think people took that to heart. i do. we need little push but we're beginning to move a little bit together and maybe this was just
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the kind of inspiration we need. let's hope. let's pray. >> will you be going down to ground zero tomorrow? >> yes. i worked very closely with cardinal dolin and the bishops on immigration so i'm really excited he invited me to east harlem to meet with immigrants to the school. really looking forward to that. >> it's obviously a critical time. he just by chance he's coming at a time when obviously we were entering election season where it's probably perhaps even bigger than anybody had anticipated it being at this time in the primary. do you think this will have an impact? >> i can't tell. the way this holey pather moves people is spirit. it will happen.
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it was a powerful, powerful message and his soft voice but strength is an amazing combination. that's captivating almost has you just totally hip n-- >> everything was understandable, too. >> exactly. and strength at the same time. amazing combination with a load of -- you could see he thought through that speech really thoroughly in the broader concept and sentences designed to inspire us but not really be political, i thought that was great. >> were you taking notes? >> i got them all up here, yeah, it would be i'm polite to write while he's speaking. >> i've been in mom ticks 41 years, one of the most amazing days i've had. we'll take a short break and our coverage continues in a moment, the moment's arrived.
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. welcome back. on one side of your screen, his departure and other side the
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papal's residence. john alan and father james martin. father martin, you were inside. you are glowing. how was it? >> beautiful. i got fairly close to the poach which was exciting but i was most excited about catholic sisters in the united states, what would the churches be without you? the sisters heard the pope at a mass for clergy religious men and women, great relief. >> he's been trying to without changing doctrine in any way but trying to emphasize the role of women and elevate the role of women in the church. >> he has. one of the things he wants is more women leaders and i think he's struggling with how do that exactly after the investigation of the women's religious orders, he specifically met with four
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women and pictured to say i love sisters and this is yet, another ringing decoloration, of his love for and appreciation for the great work catholic sisters do in the united states. >> how do you think the visit is going? >> well, you know, i've covered papal trips for 20 years. in advance we predict disaster and when it doesn't happen, we declare the trip a triumph. this trip is going extremely well. one might think the united states is somewhat tough room for this pope, right? given his rhetoric on capitalism, given his obvious preference for the world and given the fact some of the most significant blow back is from the united states inside and outside the church. you might have thought this would be a place where maybe the
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francis legend wouldn't hold and yet, i think the truth of it is the reception he's gotten at every stop along the way has been not only enthusiastic, i would call it rapture and -- >> not just necessarily from those of the catholic faith. >> that's the point. if you watched the streets in d.c. the other day when the papl was going through with the pope mobile, you know, i was on a long the route with some of that crowd and some of them are catholics for whom this was a spiritual experience but many were not. these were other christians, followers of other religions just thrilled to see this man. you know, anderson, i've told you before but i think this trip cements it. i think pope francis is the new nelson mandela. he's the new voice of moral conscience on the global stage that people recognize as sort of being able to indicate where the side of the angle stands, you
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know, and in a way, almost a part from the office that he holds, i mean, sure, he's the pope and that carry asserten authority. the thing about this man is he walks his talk and you know, when he talks about simplicity and humility and importance of ordinary people, he demonstrates that in his conduct. today, for example, i think it was abundantly obvious if you watch the way this pope c comported himself, while the speech to congress, all of us in the media focused on as the key point because there was a lot of political fact to chew on, if you watch this pope, it was clear that to him the most important appointment of this day was not in the hall of congress but with the homeless people he went to meet at st. patrick's and people can see that and respond to it. >> i want to remind the viewers on the large part of your
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screen, the pope and the screen is the image outside the diplomatic residence. i assume i can't say for sure whether the pope entered the diplomatic residence but given the the length of time, i can only assume that we're told he has not so i'm not exactly sure where he is at this point. that is the location where he is going to be spending the night before a very busy day tomorrow. >> it's worth saying that this is actually the the residence of the holy seas permanent observer to the united nations. of course, the pope will be addressing the general assembly of the united nations tomorrow morning and this is an occasion although he's in the united states now, tomorrow he's really speaking not just to the united states, he is speaking to the entire world. >> and certainly the entire world's press core is there. so his message to the u.n.
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tomorrow is very in a real way a way to speak globally. >> absolutely. i mean, the not only is the united nations together in the world but the fact is that this pope is in a very real sense arguably the most globally relevant figure that we have in the early 21st century. he's followed, obviously, in his own backyard in latin america, intense interest in the united states but he is of intense interest in europe and intense interest in asia. of course, he's made two trips to asia, one to south korea and philippines. >> he's entered the diplomatic residence for the night in new york. he's there, which is why you see security standing post as they will throughout the night.
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>> and beyond the fact the people are interested in him, i think the other thing about him is it's abundantly clear he makes a difference. the political and diplomatic relevance of the vatican that sealed to be at a low web. >> in terms of what changes have actually occurred, because obviously, there are doctrine issues that have not changed from his predecessors, beyond a different emphasis on mercy and greater flexibility for pastors, what else has -- what do you see as the difference he's made? >> listen, anderson, as journalist for us policy is king. if somebody is not making policy changes, you know, we have a hard time getting our minds around the fact anything is different. but in father time can jump in on this in a moment but, you know, my feeling would be that
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seen through a catholic lens, most catholics don't actually expect the church to change doctrine. their question is how will we implement that doctrine to the retail level in the trenches? will we put emphasis on judgment or mercy? that may sound abstract. let me give you a practical example. let's -- we all know in catholic schools in the united states and europe, these days there are going to be some kids in the schools that come from same-sex couples. okay? how does the school react to that? okay. one option would be to say to the parents, listen, we don't want you taking part in the life of the school because we think this is going g ting create scd confuse people where we stand. another option would be to say hey, we're so thrilled you're here and we want you to be part
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of the life of the school because some contact with the faith is better than none. those are both consistent with the doctrine. >> question of emphasis. >> they give a very different vibe about what the church is about and very clear that francis is encouraging that second more open, more compassion et, more merciful option. >> father martin, i've heard him say not on this trip but in the past that communion is not a reward for the perfect, it's medicine for the sick. and it's an interesting way, again, it's kind of what john was talking about is two different ways of looking at the same thing and looking at it in slightly different ways. >> absolutely. i'm glad you brought up that quote. very moving because it does move us from this idea that if you don't follow the rules, you know, you're not allowed in which was the way that a lot of people looked at the catholic church over the past 30 or 40 years versus we are all sinners he talks about that himself.
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he said i'm a sinner. we all need mercy and sackments and forgiveness. that's a much different way to talk there are still rules. every organization needs rules. jesus gives us rules. this notion that all of us are on the way, all of us are pilgrims, all of us are struggling is much more welcoming and frankly along the lines of what jesus is talking about. one of my theology professors said jesus doesn't condemn those weak and trying but condemns people in the gospels who are strong and not bothering, basically, powerful and wealthy. he doesn't condemn people sinning and trying and that's the people that pope francis is trying to remind you're welcome in the church. >> it goes beyond just looking at it saying this is an attempt to get more people in the pews but most people would see this man and say for him it goes far beyond just that.
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>> a cynic would say that because that's the way cynics look at things. this is jesus' message to he was always going out to people on the margins. he wunlt out at the woman at the well and spoke to people, he was not normally supposed to talk to and the president obamamemovemet to lgbt community and women with abortions, people that feel disenfranchised to the church and welcoming them in. he's pulling them in, which is the movement for jesus. >> is that something, father, you think that message has filtered down? i imagine it's easier for some bishops, for some priests in some parishes to do that, harder for others. >> his style has stopped us in our tracks. i think we asked about what changes is he bringing about, certainly not in the doctrine he
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made that clear but what he's changing is the language, the style, the presence, we have in this man a pastor. he had extensive experience. i met people with whom he worked in argentina and after crying for ten minutes, normally they start crying. what was it about him? collaboration, access, freedom. this guy is completely free, no institution, no human being or structure will enchain him. he allows himself to be tough and unafraid but the love of scripture, the daily home lees are very important. a lot of priests said he has a wonderful word of guy and application to everybody's life, those homilies are unscripted.
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what kind of notes? i've been there when he celebrates mass that comes from his heart and gives me insight. profound spirituality, no doubt whatsoever but doesn't plaunfla it. i'll never forget in rio during the world youth day, he went to a violent bario. >> for somebody that doesn't know, it's a tough neighborhood. >> violent, violent slum. >> police don't even go. >> it was incredible to watch the freedom and went where somebody lived with 22 people in the room and sat down sort of like having grandpa come for a glass of beverage and he told us in the homily tonight, the qualities necessary to be a
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pope francis' visit to washington and new york is remarkable in many ways including value and retired nypd detective joins me. harry, jim sciutto was reporting that the protection detail. it's not just more than 5,000 nypd officers, it's also secret service, vatican security and a lot of local, state and federal agencies, as well. >> exactly, anderson. the amount of coordination behind this, as soon as they found out the pope was coming to new york, that's when the planning started. the last five years that i was on the job, i was assigned to work to protect diplomats, heads
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of state for the uchl n. general assembly and i'm amazed every year how the coordination between the nypd and nobody knows new york city like the nypd, secret service, fbi, state department and law enforcement agencies combined worked together in the communication and planning of this and every year that i've done it it's gone off perfectly and today went off exactly like they wanted to. >> i ran into chief waters, the chief of counterterrorism for the nypd i rode around in a helicopter with. he was a great guy checking things out wanting to see everyone and eyeball everything and says things have gone well. he's clearly had a lot of sleepless nights. for a pope known to want to greet people and shake hands and kiss babies and be emersed in a crowd, that's got to be those are the moments of -- that have got to be of greatest concern. >> let's say he was going down fifth avenue and sees the baby he wants to bless. stop here.
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i want to get out. we get nervous but have people there in the event this happens and what is good, we don't know where he's stopping and if is planning to attack him, they don't know. it comes off where he sees something and wants to talk a walk. the driver has to listen to him. he'll get out and bless somebody and he'll be surrounded by nypd not only in the front but in the rare and the crowd nypd people there. i don't really have too much concern about that. >> yeah, well they seem to be doing a great job and though i can imagine for him it is frustrating. just ahead, another live hour of "360" from here outside st. patrick's cathedral. what a day. so many sights and sounds to tell you about and show you after spending most of the day in the washington, the pope is here in new york tonight. we'll have full coverage of this historic day and what is to come, next.
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it's where brains meet brawn. good evening from new york. thanks for joining us in the middle of a city still buzzing with the arrival of pope francis. after leaving, the pontiff arrived a short time ago the residence of the papal observer to the united nations a mile

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